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Look, let’s get to the bottom line here.  It’s completely asinine for Christians to continuously vote for a political party just because they’re defined by the word “conservative,” and they live and die by the two red herring wedge issues of abortion and gay marriage.

First of all they aren’t “conservative” at all.  Every time Republicans have had power in recent history, they've EXPANDED government.  It’s an easy historical fact to verify.

There’s far more to life than abortion and gay marriage, regardless of where you fall on the ideological spectrum related to these two issues.  We’ve made our stance on these issues clear, and we don’t think it makes us any less “Christian.”

What is astounding to us is that any Christian would vote for Republicans when they want to reduce taxes on the wealthy to the point where their social contract to help “insure domestic tranquility,” and “promote the general welfare” of society is completely nullified! Especially when it comes to the least of these (which is quickly becoming a larger group thanks to “conservative” policy)!


Let's look at the current budget battle as an example. Does anyone remember when Dick Cheney famously said "Deficits don't matter." The ideologues we have in congress right now don't care about the debt ceiling. What they hate is anything "Public." That's why we pay our teachers almost nothing, people can't afford Health Care (because a public option is "off the table"), and families can't even afford public universities any more.

This insanity must stop.  It must stop now.  It’s time for Christians to wake up and smell the decay of real Christian values, the most important of which, as stated by Jesus himself, is to care for your fellow brothers and sisters.


(Post submitted by Charles Toy who is a founding member of The Christian Left and a Featured Blogger).


 


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Larry griffin Sr
06/24/2011 20:03

I've been saying it for years: that which today's Republican party represents is not christain by any strech of the imagination in fact if you look at it objectivly they more represent Satan.!

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KELLI
06/24/2011 20:52

I am so happy that a page like this exists. I have been feeling this way for years and it is so great that there is now a place for "us" to go. Thank you again and God Bless the Christian Left!

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paula
06/24/2011 22:59

Very well said.I couldn't agree more.

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06/25/2011 02:46

So many of my Christian friends are Republican, I'm delighted to have found TheChristianLeft and met new like-minded Christians.

Thank you for your good work.

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Mandy Evans
06/25/2011 15:06

They have a lot of the same ideas that were being thrown around be the Right Wing Radicals and Anarchists in the 60's
How is it possible to be conservative and radical at the same time?? Am I the only one to see an inherent contradiction to this?

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Graham Ward
06/25/2011 16:08

OK as far as it goes - but the Democrats are no more than the lesser of two evils - a centre-right party who promise one thing and deliver another. As the Christian Left, we must acknowledge that Christ's message was far more radical than the agenda offered by either party.

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Sue
06/25/2011 17:52

AMEN!

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John Balchunas
06/25/2011 23:28

Jesus' message was far too radical to be encompassed by a structure like a political party. The real question is which party, and which candidates, embody more of Jesus' teachings.
While I have always longed for a third, better alternative, the reality is that in our present political structure, voting for the lesser of two evils is the norm, not the exception.

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James
06/26/2011 02:48

“The Christian Left?” Where did he go? For me, there is no Christian left. “Left” and “Right” is fine for politics, but in my belief a Christian is a Christian, and there is only one direction that matters, and that is up. The writer’s comment about “red herring” issues is either extremely naive, or intentionally belittling of what many of us hold as a core value and Christian belief. I don’t agree with all positions of any political party, but if I were to vote for a Republican, it might simply be for the reason that I can not, and will not support a Democratic party that condones killing unborn babies. Even if I don’t agree with the notion of same sex marriage, I am not likely to be as adamant about that as I am about murdering an innocent fetus, so spare me the condescending attitude that your point of view is somehow enlightened - because it is not.

I think it is ironically poignant when you say “There’s far more to life than abortion….” Talk about insensitive ignorance. Tell that to the dead child whose life is snuffed out because someone else didn’t think the infant’s life was important or valid. By the way, if your going to take a Christian stance on issues, and use the teachings of Jesus to support your point of view - - try getting it right. You claim that the most important of Christian values as stated by Jesus is “to care for your fellow brothers and sisters.” That is actually the 2nd most important. Mathew 22:37-38 “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.” If you put loving God first, then you know that obeying ALL of his Commandments is essential to being a Christian.

Killing babies is not an option in my Christian belief, and for those who lust and commit adultery…. it is a sin whether among politicians or prostitutes, heterosexuals or homosexuals. This sin is not exclusive among either political party, so naming Republicans who have claimed to be Christian, yet sinned is not a reason to switch to a political ideology that is clearly anti-Christian. I have no intention of going “left” as a Christian and compromise my core values and ethics just to jump on a political bandwagon.

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Shepherdess64
06/26/2011 21:27

First James how about ending Matthew 22:37-38 correctly instead of interpreting it to suit your self.Mathew 22:37-38 “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.”39 And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” Love for your fellow humans should influence how YOU obey scriptural laws as a Christian but it gives YOU no right to demand that other Americans who may not be Christian obey those same laws any more than Muslims would have the right to impose Sharia Laws on Americans.
I am a mainstream Christian Pastor and it saddens me greatly to see woman using abortion as a means of birth control, but I stand by every woman's right to choose.
It angers me even more to learn of the death of a pregnant woman and her child who died because she had no health insurance and could not get the care needed to save her and her baby.
It angers me to think of all the lower income woman who will no longer be able to get birth control pills or prenatal care because of the cuts and closing of Planned Parenthood.
And what about James 1:27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
And also James what about Matthew 7:1-21 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
I don't judge you James, I try not to judge anyone because I have not walked in their shoes but I can tell you that I know a great many Christians who are members of mainstream Churches who are good loving caring Christians who live out their faith by fighting for others rights and seeking justice and peace in this world and that includes a great many LGBT's.

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James
06/27/2011 02:09

To Shepherdess64, I have no intention of getting into a debate here over what amounts to religious beliefs, political agendas, and personal opinion. However, since you addressed some comments directly to me, I will respond with clarification. You began by suggesting that I end Matthew 22:37-38 “correctly.” Actually, I did. The quote I presented was correct, and ended with Matthew 22:38. What you added was Matthew 22:39-40 to suit whatever point you wanted to make. The author stated in his article in support of Christians moving left (and letting go of abortion and gay marriage issues), that to care for your fellow brothers and sisters is “the most important” of Christian values and claims this is according to Jesus.

While I believe this is VERY important, my correction stands, and is stated in the passage that I quoted, which is the reason I ended the quote there - because it proved what Jesus said. I did reference the next part of Matthew without actually writing it by clarifying that loving your neighbor as yourself is “the second” great commandment, as you wrote above when quoting Jesus in Matthew 22:39. While the two should work in unison to guide our actions, the second is not greater than the first, and does not take precedence over the first.

Also, the part I stated after the quote of Matthew 22:38, I said “If you put loving God first, then you know that obeying ALL of his Commandments is essential to being a Christian.” This was my own commentary and interpretation. I did not end the quote wrong to “suit” myself. I merely pointed out that Jesus did not state that caring for others was the “most important” as it falls second to Loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind. If you believe I am wrong on that point, then please offer proof. If your interpretation is different than mine, then I respect your opinion, and your right to disagree. You see, free speech, and freedom of expression are important to me, but even those come with some restrictions and responsibility.

Your emphasis on “YOU” in your comment “…should influence how YOU obey scriptural laws as a Christian but it gives YOU no right to demand that other Americans….” indicates to me that YOU misunderstood ME, and think that I was attempting to “demand” something of others. I suggested no such thing. Loving fellow humans does influence my conduct, but loving and obeying God ALWAYS takes precedence in my belief. I could list numerous references in the Bible (of which I’m sure you are already aware) that cite examples directing men (humans) to ignore the wants and needs of fellow men and their own families to follow Jesus or obey God.

My argument in response to this article is not to “demand” anything of anyone, but to simply state MY opposing point of view that I have no intention of abandoning what I believe is a core Christian value, and vote in elections for a political party that supports murdering babies. If there is an election choice between a candidate that represents a party that will cut programs to “help” fellow humans in need (not a good thing), or a candidate that will keep programs to “help” others, but would support killing a live fetus, then I will chose the “great commandment” over the second commandment every time. In an ideal world, it would be nice to have political candidates that support all of the good and wonderful commandments, but this article seems to suggest that “Christians” let go of the “red herring” abortion issue in favor of helping to “care for fellow humans” stating “there is more to life than abortion.” Using the author’s own words, that is “completely asinine” in my opinion.

You stated “I am a mainstream Christian Pastor…” I am not sure what being “mainstream” has to do with being a Christian, or a Pastor. Mainstream is defined as “the ideas, actions, and values that are most widely accepted by a group or society, e.g. … in politics.” My view of being a Christian has nothing to do with what others “accept” as a group, but what Jesus taught - popular or not - - politically correct or not.

You also commented “it saddens me greatly to see woman using abortion as a means of birth control, but I stand by every woman's right to choose.” Woman’s “right to choose” what? Murder? Killing a living human being within the womb? This can be legislated by laws of man to be a “right,” but I believe this is no right by any logical standard of moral or ethical behavior, and is downright inhumane. It lacks the compassion for the feelings, rights, and life of the unborn child. While there are medical emergencies that result in the d

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James
06/27/2011 02:12

cont. While there are medical emergencies that result in the death of a fetus, to simply choose to kill the fetus is, in my opinion, murder, and I can not support that as a “right” nor support a political party that does.

The hypocrisy is that if a man kills a pregnant woman, and the unborn fetus dies, he can be charged with two counts of homicide. Unjustly taking a life is murder, regardless of who does it. These are my opinions, and I do not force them on others, or “demand” that others believe what I do. Yet, I oppose the suggestion of this article which uses the twisting of Biblical quotes of Jesus in a political push to get “Christians” to ignore abortion and other core value issues to accomplish economic and other aid to fellow man. Both are important, but none so important as to disregard a human life simply because that person has not yet emerged from the womb.

Finally, you wrote “And also James what about Matthew 7:1-21 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” Pastor, I do not judge anyone, and I would certainly hope that the above quote was not intended to imply that I do simply because I have expressed my disagreement with the author’s article. What I stated was my opinion in rejecting any political agenda, which attempts to justify a swap of Christian values for governmental ideologies. In his lifetime, there were many who attempted to use the power and influence of Jesus to support their political agendas, but that is not why he was here. If you are a Pastor, I hope you are a good one, true to Jesus and the word of God. Jesus called the most prominent religious leaders of his time “hypocrites,” and “blind guides.” I don’t follow the blind guides, nor the misguided politicians - whether they call themselves Christians, left, right, up or down. I follow Jesus - period.

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Dawn Seim
07/06/2011 05:10

Thank you.
How about the Conservative-not controlled Supreme Court deciding its OK for children to be able to buy and watch senseless violence and murder via video games...it took a LIBERAL who showed he valued life to make the lone dissenting comment about the recent ruling. Christian=Conservative-NOT

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